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bisurge · Aug 02, 2008, 08:57 AM // 08:57

Which weapon do you think is the best for PvE?
Which weapon do you think is the best for PvP?

Personally, I don't know which weapon is the best for PvE. Many people use axe, since Cyclone Axe is a really good AoE, and it has high damage + Deep Wound. Sword... isn't used much except by people who don't know AoE is kind of important to PvE (BTW Hundred Blades sucks). With hammer, you need Earth Shaker, an elite, and Crude Swing to be good.

In PvP, I think hammer is the best weapon. It deals a ton of damage compared to axe or sword, and I've hit crits for 100, with basic attacks! And it can chain KDs. But with sword, there's Final Thrust, a huge boon in PvP. With axe, Deep Wound is the most paramount thing y ou can do to a monk... and axe does it well. But personally I think hammers are the best (especially using Irresistible Blow to interrupt Disciplined Stance monks).

Tyla · Aug 02, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

There is no "best".

Sword has heavy pressure. Even moreso in PvE with Dragon Slash fueling SY, Brawling Headbutt and the likes.
Axes have spike damage and extreme pressure inbetween.
Hammers have more KD's open for use.

You can bring Shock on the axe or sword templates aswell as Bull's Strike so you can quarterknock, but in terms of knockdowns hammers would come first, because of the extra unconditional KD.

The first part applies to both PvE and PVP, but the second applies to only PvP.

bisurge · Aug 02, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by Tyla

There is no "best".

Sword has heavy pressure. Even moreso in PvE with Dragon Slash fueling SY, Brawling Headbutt and the likes.
Axes have spike damage and extreme pressure inbetween.
Hammers have more KD's open for use.

You can bring Shock on the axe or sword templates aswell as Bull's Strike so you can quarterknock, but in terms of knockdowns hammers would come first, because of the extra unconditional KD.

The first part applies to both PvE and PVP, but the second applies to only PvP.

Shock Warriors don't do enough damage by themselves before they're killed. They're pretty good in GvG, AB, TA, and the likes, where you can choose your groups and pick up some other Shock Warriors, monks, etc., but in RA (which is what most people play), Shock Warrior doesn't work well with the rest of the party.

But chaining KDs will help sins in RA, since they usually have to wait until a good time to use their KD (which often has a long recharge, like Shove).

In terms of farming, axes would probably come out first because Cyclone Axe works so well with Vigorous Spirit and Live Vicariously. Sword farming usually is a riposte farmer (which can farm even HM grawl, one of the hardest things to farm in the game). Hammer farming can farm a variety of things, as long as they don't block much and you don't get blind.

Keekles · Aug 02, 2008, 09:20 AM // 09:20

I mostly run shock-axe in ra, takes some luck to get on a good team, but quarterknocking a monk in ra (if they're alone) usually results in them dying, and someone else on their team dropping dead as well.

Tyla · Aug 02, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by bisurge

Shock Warriors don't do enough damage by themselves before they're killed. They're pretty good in GvG, AB, TA, and the likes, where you can choose your groups and pick up some other Shock Warriors, monks, etc., but in RA (which is what most people play), Shock Warrior doesn't work well with the rest of the party.

In RA you either have a Monk or you're screwed, and if there is another Monk on the other side, there is always the possibility of a kill with a chance of interrupting a skill that could either kill the enemy or stall one of his skills for a certain amount of time, bringing me closer to a kill. Disrupting Chop never leaves my Warrior bar in terms of a four-man group, because of it's shutdown capabilities and throwing it around at the end of a chain for a kill or a knockdown to shutdown a key skill such as WoH, Guardian, Patient etc...

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In terms of farming, axes would probably come out first because Cyclone Axe works so well with Vigorous Spirit and Live Vicariously. Sword farming usually is a riposte farmer (which can farm even HM grawl, one of the hardest things to farm in the game). Hammer farming can farm a variety of things, as long as they don't block much and you don't get blind.

Farming is an entirely different concept to normal team play as most of the time it's build entirely to combat a certain thing for the fastest or most enemies you could kill in one run.

Squishy ftw · Aug 02, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Best in my opinion ? Hammer. I just love packing 3 KDs and quarterknocking with them.

There isn't really a 'best' tho, like Tyla already said. Axe, sword and hammer can all be very good. Because after all..they can all use [frenzy] and [bull's strike]

Daisuko · Aug 02, 2008, 09:26 AM // 09:26

There is no "best"... I favor shields for extra armor, and axes for greater damage. Heck, in PvE, there is definetly no "best" weapon... I have 20 weapon sets entirely for PvE. Swords are useful for dragon slash, and hammers are great for earthshaker, but I just prefer axes overall.

xRustyx · Aug 02, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Best weapon for a Warrior? There is none. You must be as calm as the man who decapitated the innocent child in the Greyhound bus. You must be as brutal as a 12 gauge shell to a negro's chest. You must be strong, never falter. Each cleave must be true, it must break the bone of your enemy. You must have patience, wait for the time to strike. All it takes is one killing blow for your opponent to fall. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Ettins ain't no thing.

These are the words of Rusty, the greatest Warrior of all history dating back to Pre-Searing scrolls, scribed by Togo himself. I am whatever Elona needs me to be.

Axel Zinfandel · Aug 02, 2008, 03:24 PM // 15:24

PvE wise, it depends on the build. If your build at the time has you enchanted during the entire battle, take a 15% damage while enchanted. Typically, Zealous is most common for a warrior unless your using a full adrenaline-no energy build, but again: assess the build you are using most and work with that.

For PvP, warriors ussually carry many, but since I don't PvP outside AB, I don't have the best of suggestions on the matter. All I know is that the main concern is one normal, one elemental weapon.

JDRyder · Aug 02, 2008, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Hammer

thread.

Im in love with hammers in pve and pvp, they is leetness

and llolololololol at the guy saying shock war is bad.

Cherng Butter · Aug 02, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by xRustyx

Best weapon for a Warrior? There is none. You must be as calm as the man who decapitated the innocent child in the Greyhound bus. You must be as brutal as a 12 gauge shell to a negro's chest. You must be strong, never falter. Each cleave must be true, it must break the bone of your enemy. You must have patience, wait for the time to strike. All it takes is one killing blow for your opponent to fall. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Ettins ain't no thing.

These are the words of Rusty, the greatest Warrior of all history dating back to Pre-Searing scrolls, scribed by Togo himself. I am whatever Elona needs me to be.

Hahahahhahaha

bisurge · Aug 02, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by JDRyder

and llolololololol at the guy saying shock war is bad.

I never said they were BAD. I said they're bad ALONE without a monk. I've gotten 10 consecutives in RA without a monk, but never with a shock warrior.

JDRyder · Aug 02, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by bisurge

I never said they were BAD. I said they're bad ALONE without a monk. I've gotten 10 consecutives in RA without a monk, but never with a shock warrior.

every war sucks w/o a monk with them tbh, you cant have the con/hex removal needed to keep your DPS up. With all the anti melee in pvp you need a monk for the most part

not saying it cant get done, i was in a RA team today can got 6 w/o a monk, "then got a 2 monk team and got 13 :P" but if your all hexed up along with weakness and blind w/o a monk thats GG for any warrior no matter what hes playing

A Leprechaun · Aug 03, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Can we please set up some kind of close-on-sight policy for "wot r teh best wepons" threads, they never get anywhere and seem to pop up quite regularly.

~A Leprechaun~

bisurge · Aug 05, 2008, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Okay guys, here is what I think of the weapons now after reading posts.

I think Hammers do the most damage so that's why they own. A the beginning of all campaigns you can get a decent hammer, and a lot of quests do give hammers.

I think axes do the most + skill damage and is the best at providing Deep Wound. However, you don't get a good axe until later in all campaigns (unless you make one), and even then it's probably unmoded.

Swords are the best at making cripple and bleeding, and... even though swords are usually gotten from collectors, buying it from other players is cheap. They lack a good AoE though.

I think axe is best for farming, sword is best for going against bosses, and hammer is best for doing the missions and PvP. Axe is good for PvP too. This is just my opinion, no flaming please!

P.S. I re-read your post Rusty. Decapitate and Cleave are two elite axe skills. Are you trying to say something? :P

P.S.S. I just realized your sig, Tyla, is Aeris and Leo from VGCats. Looks like I'm not the only one who goes there!

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 05, 2008, 07:50 AM // 07:50

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-Where you get weapons has no relevance in how good a weapon is, and I haven't noticed a difference in when you get them.
-Rusty isn't really saying anything about skills, he's just referencing stuff that happened in RL and tried to make it inspirational or something. Btw, Decapitate is useless, though Cleave is decent.
-Swords have [[Whirlwind Attack], thats a decent AoE.

-Dude, stop stying to define what is best. All weapons have parts where they shine in PvE, parts where they shine in PvP, and parts where they shine in Farming.

bisurge · Aug 05, 2008, 08:47 AM // 08:47

I was talking about what was best for me, hence the "my opinion" statement. I never said I was defining what was the best for everyone.

N1ghtstalker · Aug 05, 2008, 08:51 AM // 08:51

they're all good
i just play what i like
my warrior is an [earth shaker] hammer warrior
before that i played an axe warrior with [eviscerate]
and before that it was [quivering blade]
i just changed build cuz i got bored of the last one

Cebe · Aug 05, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

[Warrior's Cunning] + [Dwarven Battle Stance] is too much fun in RA so I personally love Hammers.

I'm not advocating Warrior's Cunning generally (the recharge is sickeningly long), but enemy Monks in RA generally really don't see it coming. They stick Guardian on and just sit there thinking they can tank me. After a few hits they realise I'm hitting through their Guardian and start to run. Then I give them a:

[Hammer Bash] + [Crushing Blow].

<3

It's not the most efficient build but it's darn fun.

Personally I'm a quite a fan of the Axe for PvE, but I still feel Hammers are excellent weapons there also. "Best" is too difficult to define in a game such as GW.

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

-Dude, stop stying to define what is best.

I agree with this statement, though people will always ask for the "best" of anything...

Tbh, I'm surprised there's been no mention of swords being "best" because of "godmode" builds.

wesman · Aug 05, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

so... rather than just debate about it (which is fine I like debates), why doesn't some one just go to the master of damage and do a simple test. Lets say for spike damage, what is the quickest you can kill him with your sword/axe/hammer. Then just do a test for dps, say over 6 min which weapon does the most damage. Obviously this will not show how well you knock downs and interrupts are working... don't know how to test those other than personal experience.

Also no one has mentioned spears or scythes so far. scythes have some nasty crit damage (my last crit did 176da against a 80ar paragon... that hurts) and there is also ebon dust for blind. Spears have burning and a deep wound + damage, though I would say spears are more about pressure than pure dps.

Anyhow I think Silverblade is right... all weapons have different uses, so find one that gives you the best results (notice I did not say most fun, fun builds are often not the most... useful) and use that.